Jodi: Howdy and welcome to Important Alchemy. Alchemy is outlined as the facility or course of that adjustments or transforms one thing in a mysterious or spectacular approach. My hope is that the data on this podcast may also help you remodel your temper, your vitality, bodily well being, and even some dots that can assist you shift your psychological or emotional state. I’m your host, Jodi Cohen, a bestselling creator, award-winning journalist, practical practitioner, lifelong learner, and founding father of Vibrant Blue Oils, an organization that sells proprietary blends of high-quality, natural, or wildcrafted important oil cures designed that can assist you return to your very best psychological, bodily, and emotional state. Yow will discover out extra about me and my firm at vibrantblueoils.com. And with that, let’s get began with as we speak’s episode.
Howdy, I’m Jodi Cohen, your host, and I’m so excited to be joined as we speak by not solely certainly one of my pricey pals however one of many practitioners that I see as a result of she is the perfect.
Dr. Kim Trager is thought for sufferers’ transformational therapeutic. She makes use of her huge, very huge academic background and years of expertise to concurrently heal thoughts, physique, and spirit. Dr. Kim is a graduate of the College of Kansas and Logan College St. Louis. She holds superior certifications in utilized kinesiology activator technique and oral fascial myotherapy. She is a licensed yoga teacher and private coach. As a structural and energetic practitioner, she uncovers the causes of acute and continual ache, physique and mind lethargy, in addition to discovering optimum methods to steadiness the parasympathetic nervous system. Dr. Kim is a famous speaker, creator, and educator Welcome.
Dr. Kim Trager: Thanks a lot for inviting me to be in your podcast, Jodi, and it’s so good to see you once more.
Jodi: It’s so good to see you, and I’m so excited to delve into the entire world of fascia lymph, the vagus nerve. So for anybody who’s listening however shouldn’t be but absolutely versed in fascia, are you able to give type of an summary of what it’s and what it does?
Dr. Kim Trager: Completely. Fascia is basically the three-dimensional connective tissue that surrounds not solely each nerve, vein, and artery organ, but it surely additionally surrounds each cell in our being. So it’s primarily the spider net that makes us up. I heard Tom Meyers as soon as say that if there was a strategy to do away with the fascia, we’d merely fall to the ground and be bones and mush. Nonetheless, as a result of the fascia provides us our type, and our form and permits us to maneuver, if we had a capability to take away every thing aside from the fascia, we’d nonetheless acknowledge that particular person and see them in the identical place, which I believe it simply helps make it extra actual.
Jodi: No, I agree with you. And it’s so fascinating. It performs such a major structural function, but it surely additionally performs the problems or tissues. It shops the feelings. Are you able to converse to that slightly bit and type of what you’ve seen in follow?
Dr. Kim Trager: Proper. So due to the fascia, properly after all many individuals will acknowledge among the components of fascia. Individuals take collagen as a result of that’s the primary protein that makes up the fascia. After which there’s elastin that permits us to leap and have stretch in our system. Nonetheless, there’s one thing that’s getting extra consideration recently now that fascia is not only connective tissue, but it surely’s now a brand new system, and that’s the extracellular matrix and that’s the place they really feel lots of the magic occurs. So it is a fluid gel substance that’s across the molecules within the fascia and the place we are able to make adjustments in our posture. That’s the place they really feel we, it’s believed. We maintain traumas, and caught feelings, and so by working with the fascia, we are able to work with these feelings and the trauma and transfer by means of it and transfer past it. And I really feel that as a result of the diaphragm is one a part of actually key fascia, I discuss breath quite a bit and I believe lots of our trauma is held once we gasp or we maintain our breath.
Jodi: Sure, sure. And I’ve puzzled about that. We are able to discuss the place we unpack the trauma, however as I’ve been making an attempt to launch the fascia behind my coronary heart, I virtually really feel prefer it provides my diaphragm extra room.
Dr. Kim Trager: Completely. Completely. Actually, there are totally different myofascial traces, and I imply now that we take a look at it as a system and the muscular tissues, there we go. There’s the superficial frontline. We are able to even zone in on that. So the superficial frontline is certainly one of many motion traces made up of tendons and muscle, and that is the frontline and it really begins on the high of the toes, goes up the entrance of the physique, contains the stomach muscular tissues, among the respiratory muscular tissues right here, the coastal, sternal muscular tissues, and what we name an adjunct respiratory muscle, which is the sternal cli mastoid muscle. So the superficial entrance line is what we generally name the safety or the myofascial line that wishes to assist us guard and keep secure as a result of we use it to contract. We additionally use it for sitting quite a bit. Nonetheless, anybody, in the event you’re feeling fearful or simply not secure, you’re going to guard your coronary heart, and realizing that the backbone goes to be stronger, you’re not going to really feel as weak.
Nonetheless, it’s fascinating as a result of once we take a look at the electromagnetic signature of each organ, and in Ayurvedic or yoga, they name that the aura that extends in all instructions round us. In order that’s fascinating that you just talked about the again physique. So we even have a superficial again line that begins on the bottoms of the toes and goes up the again line, it’s these sacral spinatus muscular tissues, the paraspinal muscular tissues rhomboids the again neck extensors, and it doesn’t cease on the cranium. It continues proper to the forehead line, proper to the place the eyebrows are.
Dr. Kim Trager: In order that’s all a part of the superficial backline. And not too long ago there was lots of give attention to and connecting this new system of fascia, this Western viewpoint of scientifically that and reviewing historical Japanese drugs, notably Chinese language meridian. So in the event you can present the following slide that I introduced up, you’ll be able to see the place the superficial frontline actually goes proper together with the abdomen meridian.
Superficial frontline is on each legs and proper up and the abdomen meridian, there’s a proper and a left. So I’ve identified right here abdomen 36, which is a really highly effective level for each the fascia within the leg line and the abdomen meridian. It’s thought-about a really grounding stabilizing level and it’s
proper between the higher fibula and tibia. You possibly can see right here on the slide the issues that it’s supposed to assist with not solely knee ache however bronchial asthma. Bear in mind I talked in regards to the sternal cidal mastoid muscle and the way it’s an adjunct respiratory muscle, but in addition with vitality and immunity. So it is a nice level. You and I each love important oils. This can be a nice level to use important oils and also you’re layering by me so that individuals can see in order that sure, assist us discover it. So in the event you discover the higher a part of your shin and you progress to the surface, you’ll discover slightly dip between these two bones, these two vertical bones, the shin, and the fibula, and it’s proper in there
Jodi: Beneath the knee.
Dr. Kim Trager: Sure, proper there. You’re proper on. Okay. So once you use an oil in that space, you’re doing Chinese language drugs, particularly on the abdomen meridian. So we recommend doing it proper and left. You’re addressing the fascia in that time the identical approach a needle would. Acupressure is simply as efficient and also you’re getting the important oils within the system. So it’s like we’re layering therapies and I simply discover that that’s so helpful once I’m working with sufferers, I’m sharing it with them in addition to exhibiting them the way it’s finished.
Jodi: The yellow line that goes all the way in which up is that type of all the meridians that it impacts, so the organs that line goes by means of.
Dr. Kim Trager: So that’s really sure, the abdomen meridian. So abdomen meridian, if we consider what the abdomen is, it’s digesting our meals. Abdomen meridian really begins on the cheekbone proper underneath the pupil of the attention, and you may see on that one image of the face, it comes down alongside the jawline, after which it type of shoots up proper up right here to the hairline. We’re nonetheless in entrance of the ear. After which it comes all the way down to proper at that SCM the place now we have lymph nodes proper within the center there. After which proper above the clavicle, we’re speaking in regards to the terminus of the lymph. You’ve Kelly Kennedy. That’s an incredible podcast that you just did along with her. She’s a mutual good friend of ours and she or he’s the limp queen, proper?
Jodi: She’s the limp queen and I suppose I’m the vagus nerve queen and also you’re the Pasha queen, however all, it’s virtually like good fairies. All of us work collectively as a result of
Dr. Kim Trager: Completely.
Jodi: And the vagus nerve are all correlated and particularly
Dr. Kim Trager: Across the neck. And you’ll see how this abdomen meridian type of components of it overlap with the vagus nerve as a result of then we come down right here the place we need to wake this up. So it may go to the armpit and the axle, the axillary nodes, but it surely comes down the place alongside the center and the lungs to the abdomen, keep in mind it’s on each side. Then the factors are usually not as necessary going additional down till we get to abdomen 36 proper there on the surface of the higher shin after which all the way down to the foot. So once we take a look at the meridian as a complete we take into consideration what the abdomen meridian does, what our precise bodily abdomen does, as a result of Chinese language drugs is slightly bit in regards to the organ and quite a bit in regards to the feelings. We all know that working with this level, working with some oils that may be selling digestion corresponding to fennel or ginger or peppermint, are going to assist, particularly proper there at abdomen 36. Nonetheless, it’s additionally going to assist us digest new data, and new feelings break as a result of that’s what the abdomen does. It breaks down huge advanced proteins and permits them to be digested and moved on so we are able to take what we want and do away with what we don’t want. So I like the abdomen meridian and every thing it implies.
Jodi: Nicely, and particularly for people who find themselves anxious or overwhelmed. This can be a nice level. I’d most likely put parasympathetic there. Stimulatory, do you will have different ideas?
Dr. Kim Trager: Completely. I like the parasympathetic mix as a result of I at all times have them placing it such as you recommend, behind the ears, down alongside the SCM. I even have them take it proper beneath the collarbone as properly. And naturally, with you, I do know the advantages of respiratory and inhaling the fragrant molecules of important oil, however I agree, get it on the pores and skin in a secure diluted approach in order that it may get into the fascia, get into the bloodstream, it’s going to make adjustments.
Jodi: Sure, no, completely. That is nice. I like these acupuncture factors.
Dr. Kim Trager: So then on the following one, the following slide, you will have them aspect by aspect. And keep in mind the slide is just exhibiting the abdomen meridian on one aspect, but it surely’s on each side, similar to the myofascial line is on each side. After which the final slide, after which we are able to return to being aspect subsequent to one another. So the following one, I like to make use of bergamot for the emotional a part of the abdomen meridian just because bergamot helps to cut back the cortisol, so it’s serving to parasympathetic and all the citrus oils convey a couple of happiness issue as a result of when the abdomen meridian is out of steadiness as a result of it’s a part of earth ingredient, we are able to have a sense of not being supported, nurtured, heard, not feeling secure, and we are likely to then fear …
Jodi: Or…
Dr. Kim Trager: Really feel caught, not really feel grounded. And so I discover that citrus oils can actually assist with that. Though generally in the event you’re not feeling grounded, one thing like Vetiver is nice for that grounding ingredient.
Jodi: Proper. No, no, no. It’s humorous, I typically say that what you apply is much less necessary than the place you apply, and so I like exhibiting individuals the precise reflex factors. I agree. I believe that it has type of a systemic affect.
Dr. Kim Trager: And going again to what you have been saying in regards to the space, the emotions behind the center. I’ve simply been eager about that and I like that as a result of the oils that I discover with my sufferers at the least that assist steadiness and strengthen muscular tissues alongside the again line. The superficial again traces are these which might be extra woodsy, cedarwood, Cyprus. Consider the backbone as a tree. We have been speaking about that earlier than we began the podcast. We wish that energy and suppleness. We need to really feel grounded, nurtured, and rising.
Jodi: Nicely, that’s perhaps a mix is you’ll be able to take a vever, which could be very grounding, speaking about, a good friend of mine was saying the willow tree, they’re versatile, they’re not inflexible, whereas the fur is extra strong. And so you’ll be able to type of mix that solidity with the cypress, the rigidity, the fluidity.
Dr. Kim Trager: Connection, get that stunning partnership of these oils. Completely. Our nervous system, our fossil system, lymph is so advanced it’s going to determine all of it out and make the most of all of them. And I completely agree with you. I like being particular about the place I put the oils. So now that that your again line, that the again of your coronary heart is a part of, you possibly can put these oils on the underside of your toes if it was a mix that you just didn’t need to stroll out on the earth with, though I’m carrying oils on a regular basis, or you possibly can put it on the again of your neck as a result of the again of your coronary heart may not be an space that may be as simple to achieve, however simply realizing that it’s a part of that fascia line.
Jodi: We now have the curler fashions which you could rather more
Dr. Kim Trager: Simpler. Oh, I do know
Jodi: Kelly is obsessive about placing the center mix on the entrance and the fascia mix on the again. It’s this fascinating. Nicely, you’ll be able to converse extra in regards to the fascia as a result of fascia therapeutic massage is so delicate and so mild. It’s unlucky, it’s so necessary for well being, but it surely’s actually arduous to do it. You possibly can’t do it to your self and it’s arduous to search out somebody as wonderful as you.
Dr. Kim Trager: Thanks. Now are you speaking in regards to the therapeutic massage for lymphatics?
Jodi: Each. It’s arduous to get a lymphatic therapeutic massage. It’s arduous to get a fascia therapeutic massage. It’s arduous to calm down the vagus nerve. That is the place clearly nothing is a alternative for you, but it surely’s an adjunct and simply having the ability for individuals who may not reside in an space the place you’re accessible, or for individuals who perhaps they’re in a position to get an appointment as soon as per week after which the remainder of the week they need to make it possible for they’re supporting their physique.
Dr. Kim Trager: Precisely. A number of the new analysis, and I believe that we would’ve talked about it, two, three issues that really they’ve proven will make a change with fascia in addition to after all, motion is the perfect. That’s why stretching and secure motion is at all times good compression. In order that’s just like the therapeutic massage and you are able to do it at a superficial degree for the superficial fascia slightly deeper for the deeper fascia and decompression. So often decompression goes to be the cupping.
Chinese language cupping the place they apply the cups and it lifts the pores and skin. Nonetheless, I’ll generally simply train my sufferers how they’ll carry and roll the pores and skin and I often can have them put the oil on first, and since fascia is a community that strikes in all instructions, we don’t have to fret essentially in regards to the fascial line. We are able to simply go So that they don’t should be in entrance of an anatomy textual content or something. Don’t fear about it, simply decide it up and do a rolling method, which is definitely, that’s a part of Chinese language drugs. They’ve these totally different two, totally different rolling methods. After which one other one is pivoting. So pivot, if I’ve someone desirous to launch fascia on the again, I’ll train them find out how to safely lean towards the wall or have your toes out so that you’re not going to fall and bend the knees barely and have, I like to make use of the yoga tup balls, however they’re the soften balls.
Dr. Kim Trager: They’re slightly stickier and have slightly extra give than a tennis ball again there. And whereas we used to show primarily bend your knees so that you’re rolling your again on this ball. The brand new data that now we have in regards to the fascial analysis is that we fake one arm is heavier after which the opposite. So we’re really pivoting the tissue over the ball over that time. So if I’m engaged on a affected person, lots of new fossil analysis, as we put the hand down and we’re transferring the tissue, I like studying and staying updated with what’s happening. So now you and everybody who listens to this might be like, okay, I’m going to do some rolling. I’m going to get an appointment for some cupping. I’m going to place my oils on first and actually get the profit.
Jodi: One of many issues that, one query that I get quite a bit is type of getting again to the precise factors like we inform individuals to place the parasympathetic on the vagus nerve. It teaches that you just need to use the oils on the clavicles first after which alongside the neck. By way of fascia and type of sequencing and key factors, are there any key factors that you just suppose are actually necessary to make use of the oils on, and is there any vital order, particularly in the event you’re utilizing it together with parasympathetic for vagus nerve stimulation and limb for lymphatic drainage.
Dr. Kim Trager: We are able to by no means go incorrect with the underside of the toes. The entire fascial traces aside from those within the arms begin on the toes.
And so to place ’em on the toes, the arches, the bottoms, the tops, we’re going to get all of these fascial traces. Actually, that’s what I’m typically doing within the night. I’m simply massaging my toes totally with oils which might be pertinent. Often, those which might be going to assist me sleep. So I’m a giant fan of lavender and vetiver, so you’ll be able to’t go incorrect with the toes and since now we have a lot happening within the neck and if any oils we placed on the neck, we’re naturally going to breathe in and get that. These fragrant molecules are going to go to the amygdala. It’s going to ship messages to the hypothalamus making adjustments in our notion of our world, our feelings, and the way we’re pondering really. So I really feel like placing them on the neck, which is usually safer than the fragile tissues of the face, there are just a few I’ll use on the face itself. I believe that’s nice as a result of we’ve obtained so many lymph nodes right here and we’ve obtained lots of fascia traces and there’s a lot that is occurring right here with the jaw. It simply actually helps with that. It’s type of the type of the connection, the bridge between our mind and our coronary heart.
Jodi: Sure.
Dr. Kim Trager: I see. I give my neck lots of love.
Jodi: I attempt to give my neck lots of love. You suppose, is there any sequence, ought to they do the again of the neck first or does it matter when it comes to unpacking?
Dr. Kim Trager: With regards to the neck, I’ll often do it in a lymphatic circulate, so I’m beginning proper above the collarbone.
Jodi: Yeah, simply stroll us by means of that.
Dr. Kim Trager: So I believe that you just and Kelly and I are all on the identical web page that we need to get up, although the factors proper above the collarbone is known as the terminus. In the event you consider a circle, the terminus which means the tip can be the start. It’s type of like a circle. So we’re waking that up. That’s type of a message to the physique. Okay, we’re going to begin this circulate, and I prefer to make it possible for I don’t have any congestion within the main site visitors areas, and that’s going to be the lymph nodes right here. So I’m going to maneuver that out beneath the collarbone, in the direction of the armpits. I’m going to get in and get up the armpits, and it doesn’t take lots of deep stress. That is all fairly superficial as a result of 70% of our lymph is true underneath the pores and skin. Then I’ve that every one ready.
Then I come again up and I love to do one after the other so I can actually give attention to it. I take my fingertips proper behind my ear lobe and I simply convey them all the way down to proper above my sternum, proper to that sternal nut, diagonally mild. I’ll do like, I don’t know, 10, 15 occasions on either side, get that prepared. I do the Spock fingers, I discovered this from Kelly, do the Spock fingers and put two of the fingers in entrance of my ear and two behind and do these circles. I’m going up and down, simply very environment friendly that approach.
Jodi: I adore it.
Dr. Kim Trager: Children, as a result of now we have so many lymph nodes in entrance of the ear, underneath the ear, behind the ear. So I’m waking that up after which I’m going again. I’m not going to go away any of our…
Jodi: Fingers. Doesn’t matter in the event you go ahead or again.
Dr. Kim Trager: Nope. Doesn’t actually matter. I perform a little little bit of each. I convey it again down. I’ll ship it over. Then I’ll convey the again of the neck ahead as a result of particularly with thyroid points, we are likely to, generally we’ll have slightly hump proper again there at, there’s going to be a pure skeletal hump at C 70 T one. That’s regular, however we don’t need any further lymph there. So it’s not merely the neck, however I’m taking my fingertips down slightly bit, bringing them round, which is the circulate of the lymph. I need to make it possible for goes to the armpits. Then I can at all times get my guha stone out. I can do my face the place I begin within the middle and I’m taking every thing to the ears after which down.
Jodi: Okay.
Dr. Kim Trager: Yeah.
Jodi: Superb.
Dr. Kim Trager: For me, I like utilizing rose.
Jodi: Sure.
Dr. Kim Trager: Or diluted rose or lavender, geranium. These all.
Jodi: Nice. Sure, and I agree with you. Watch out what you set in your face. Rose is okay. Frankincense is okay. Some issues are slightly spicy.
Dr. Kim Trager: By no means put oregano in your face.
Jodi: Yeah, I’m…
Dr. Kim Trager: Scorching oil.
Jodi: In the event you’re working with a practitioner, oregano will be fabulous, but it surely’s not a do self oil.
Dr. Kim Trager: By no means for the face. Yeah. So agree. I completely agree with you, Jodi, that the neck is admittedly only a key space.
Jodi: And yeah, for every thing, for coronary heart coherence, coronary heart mind, coherence, for the intestine, the physique. Is there something on this subject that we haven’t talked about that you just’d prefer to share?
Dr. Kim Trager: I discussed at the start about our electromagnetic signatures that we now have equipment that’s in a position to measure that, and because it seems, each organ has a signature that has an electrical part and a magnetic part. So our coronary heart has the most important signature. It extends out as much as six toes in all instructions. The mind is second. Is smart, however I type of like the truth that the center has the most important signature. So there’s a wonderful method that I like having my sufferers.
Dr. Kim Trager: On the finish of a session the place we’ve labored with acupressure factors and oils and feelings and a few motion with them, I’ll usher in some modified yoga poses and I’ve them merely mendacity down or sitting up with one hand over the center and one hand over the brow, and that’s the place our emotional factors are and acupressure or our ideas, and I’ve them really not consider the previous or the trauma that they’re present process, however to suppose again to a time after they felt sturdy and assured, after they knew they have been sufficient they usually have been love and linked with the universe, and to breathe that in a sluggish diaphragmatic breath, making that connection between the gratitude and the happiness of the center and that constructive reminiscence of the thought is extremely highly effective.
It’s among the coronary heart math stuff and knowledge, however I simply type of customized it and added oils and closed lots of my occasions with that with sufferers. I’m at all times feeling very touched too and really actually honored that I obtained to be a part of that complete therapeutic course of there.
Jodi: Nicely, and thanks for sharing your brilliance with us as we speak. Are you able to share how individuals can discover you, please?
Dr. Kim Trager: In fact. To start with, thanks, Jodi for inviting me. It’s so good to see you, and if anybody desires to work with me on-line or come and see me within the Chicago space, yow will discover out extra about what I do and what I supply at drkimTrager.com. You possibly can contact me at dr***@dr*********.com, and I’m additionally on Instagram, so there you go, Dr. Kim Trager.
Jodi: Nicely, thanks. We’re so grateful to you for continually utilizing my oils and giving me nice suggestions and everybody who’s listening has nice concepts on how they’ll do self-lymph therapeutic massage and lots of therapeutic.
Dr. Kim Trager: Thanks, Jodi, and thanks for all of the sensible work that you just do.
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